The Rising Stars of Transfer: A Conversation for #TransferProsMonth

July is Transfer Professionals Month, and we are bringing you a special episode to close out a month of celebrating the transfer champions working as advisors, staff, faculty, administrators, researchers, and the other higher ed professionals who serve and support transfer students.

In this episode, you’ll hear a conversation between two #TransferPros, Jamie Blanch and Campbell Keele. Both Jamie and Campbell are incredible transfer champions who were awarded the Transfer Champion-Rising Star award in 2024 from our beloved former home the National Institute for the Study of Transfer Students (NISTS). They talk about their experiences as transfer students, what drew them to work in transfer students, and how they center transfer students in the work they do now.

Get ready for a thoughtful, energizing conversation about impact, advocacy, and the people working behind the scenes to help transfer students succeed. It's the perfect way to close out a month dedicated to recognizing the transfer community's biggest champions. 

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Host | Dr. Heather Adams
Producers | Rhian Waterberg, Emily Kittrell, Caitlyn Potter Glaser
Sound Editing | Abraham Urias 

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Transcript

[00:00]  Jamie Blanch

Hi everyone, I'm Jamie Blanch. I am with Transfer Nation and I'm here today with Campbell Keele and we are going to be kind of going over some of our own personal transfer experiences and us in the industry today and really excited to be chatting.

[00:19]  Heather Adams

Welcome to Transfer Talks from Transfer Nation. I'm your host, Heather Adams, founder of Transfer Nation and a lifelong transfer advocate. Here at Transfer Nation and Transfer Talks, we believe that transfer success is everyone's responsibility, no matter your role, title, or department. Today's students and learners, they're mobile, they're diverse, and they're complex. But our systems have not kept up. The results? Too many learners facing hidden barriers, lost credits, and unclear paths. This podcast is about changing that. In each episode, we'll spotlight real conversations with professionals, learners, and partners from across higher education. People you might not think of as transfer folks, but who all play a part in helping learners thrive. So let's break down those silos, challenge assumptions, and reimagine what transfer can be and who is accountable for realizing that success. This is Transfer Talks and you are right on time. Let's talk transfer.

[01:21]  Jamie Blanch

So I guess I can kick it off with just some of my—what drew me to working with transfers. So a little bit about me. I currently work in enrollment management, specifically in admissions. I've been in the field for about 15 years. I did do a short little stint in advising, which I did work with transfer students in that role as well. But really what kind of made me, like, really gravitate to transfer students and it becoming a population that I deeply cared about was my own experience in my undergrad institution. I was a transfer student. I was a willing transfer. I did the four-year, two-year, back to four-year kind of thing. And each experience was really unique because of the lack of support there was for transfer students. So that kind of is what drew me to serving that population.

Some things about my advocacy is when I was at one of my institutions, Loyola New Orleans, I did recruit three of the largest transfer classes in their history. I kind of broke the campus, let's say. But it's really important to like develop like targeted outreach and marketing to have a successful target for transfer recruitment in general. So yeah, that's kind of what drew me to it. Transfer students often arrive with complicated stories. No student is the same, I always say. And so it's really important that you're collaborating with campus partners to get to that point. But that's kind of what drew me to working with transfers, my own personal experience, but then the lack of support that I've encountered at all of my professional experiences thus far. And I'll pass it to you. Tell us about what keeps you involved with transfer.

[02:57]  Campbell Keele

Thanks, Jamie, and thanks guys for having me. I work at Missouri State University, and that is the institution where I was also a transfer student. And so I don't think it's necessarily like a prerequisite to have been a transfer student to work in the transfer sphere, but I think some of the same things that you touched on about the difficulties that transfer students face and the roadblocks, the obstacles that they all have to get through, in a sense kind of bond us all together and makes us want to work with students and make it a better experience for them. So, like many people in the transfer professional sphere, I was also a transfer student. I transferred, gosh, 11 years ago now, actually, from Three Rivers College, which is in my hometown of Poplar Bluff.

And I transferred to Missouri State really with absolutely no intention or desire of working in higher ed. It never even occurred to me that was like a career path that I could pursue. But I spent three and a half years as a transfer student. I lived in the residence hall that we have for transfer students. All of my friends were transfer students. And so I really got to experience all of the things because if I wasn't personally going through it, my friends were going through some kind of obstacle or experience. And when I graduated from Missouri State, I started in an advising role. About a month or so after I graduated, I was working with business students in our College of Business and occasionally got to work with transfer students through like coordinating our Transfer VIP Day or things like that.

And it was always the highlight of my advising experience. I would get so excited when I'd see a transfer student come in because I had just freshly graduated and I felt like I had so much life experience and advice to be able to give to them and I could relate to them. So I had the opportunity to get promoted three years into being an advisor to a newly created Coordinator of Transfer Initiatives role and that's where I've been ever since. So I've been in that role since 2022. And I get to work with transfer students all day every day. And it is so rewarding and just kind of a full circle experience for me.

But very similarly to some of the things that you said, those roadblocks, those challenges, those obstacles that I faced as a transfer student or my friends faced really inspired some of the work that I did when I first started in the role and just really continue to guide me even though it's been a long time at this point since I've transferred. So things are different. But I think it's still a passion of mine to continue to advocate and make my experience turn into something good for them. So, but tell me a little bit because we met two years ago now when we both received the Rising Star Award from NISTS. And it's been a really great opportunity to get to stay virtually connected through LinkedIn and Transfer Nation with you.

So tell me a little bit about what you were doing when you got the award and kind of how, what just led to us getting to meet this way.

[06:15]  Jamie Blanch

So many things. I can't believe it was two years ago. But I was actually in a transition period when I got this award. I recently left Loyola New Orleans at this point, where I left as an associate director of admissions overseeing transfer recruitment. And then I pivoted to a Knox College, which is located in Illinois, so a small liberal arts campus. And I transitioned to be their director of international and transfer admissions. Essentially, that role was crafted for me to serve populations that were niche and didn't have the essential support on campuses. So yeah, I oversaw those two populations at this point in time. And so I would say like it was really meaningful to receive this award at that point in my career just because the recognition really was meaningful because transfer work can sometimes be invisible within institutions.

Sometimes—a lot of times I'm having these conversations with colleagues that are serving transfer students and they're just like, I keep having to press the upper leadership to just hear me for these transfer needs that we need. So it was really rewarding that some of my supervisors that I had in my past were willing to nominate me for that. It really did validate the importance of advocating for transfer students and encouraged me to really think broadly about my role within the transfer community. So I can't believe that was just two years ago, but, yeah, crazy times. But tell me a little bit about your take on when we got this award.

[07:48]  Campbell Keele

Yes, I also like you did feel validated in getting the award because I think you really hit the nail on the head when you said transfer work is often invisible or overlooked. I think a lot of times when anybody in higher ed is considering making changes, they're really focused on the first-time, new-in-college population. And those students are obviously critical to higher ed and we want to make sure that they're having the best experience possible. But transfer students make up about one-third of the student body population at Missouri State. And I felt like we had some transfer advocates on campus, but we didn't really have anybody who I like to say that I'm a little annoying to be honest. So we didn't have anybody who was kind of annoying. I was like, well, what about transfer students? What about transfer students?

And that was always the mindset that I had going into this role was that I'm fortunate enough to have a role that's focused just on transfer. And there aren't very many of those types of roles at my institution. So I'm going to take advantage of it and be as annoying as I possibly can and say, well, what about transfer students, every opportunity that I can have? And I've been really fortunate over the past several years now to have colleagues in all different departments and areas also be supportive of that student population too. Now we have a new president. He's been here for about two years and he was a transfer student. So just even kind of like having that visibility around campus now, there are so many more of us who were transfer students who were working in higher ed and that's just the nature of like student demographics changing.

We're seeing more non-traditional students and transfer students. And so I think it's really great to be able to have that sort of recognition and to really just continue to make them a priority, which is what I hope to do. So tell me a little bit about what you're able to do now in your role and what you get to do with transfer students, because I feel like it's really interesting. So I'd love for everyone to get to hear more about it.

[09:54]  Jamie Blanch

Yeah, it's funny you said though how like you're always like kind of persistent with like, what about transfers? My boss that I've been with for several years now—we worked at Loyola in New Orleans together as well. There would be a point where he would just like, he knows I'm coming off mute, like, what about transfers? And so it just becomes the routine: “Transfers are included, Jamie.” Like, that is just funny. Like you have to though, because sometimes they just like get excluded with what could be something simple, like a communication that is going to first year students, but what about the broader audience? So you got to be persistent. So yeah, that made me really laugh. I was like, I'm not the only one that does that. But I'll say since two years ago, I can't believe it's just been two. A lot has changed on my professional side.

I got promoted to assistant vice president of admissions. So earlier in my career, much of my work was definitely centered solely on transfer recruitment and enrollment and advising and guiding these students. But now I would say my perspective is a little bit broader because now I'm kind of overseeing the whole shebang. So I see the recruitment side, the transition, institutional policy, student support, partnerships, retention. And really, it's not easy. I would say being a small institution where some folks are just set in their ways because they've been tied for so long, like trying to advocate for this population and get new policies and procedures put into place to serve them is certainly not an easy feat. And I think persistence is key. Just kind of I hate to say nag, but I keep nagging and sometimes they'll just be like, it's Jamie again.

Like, and, but you have to, I would love the structure at my current campus to be similar to my old one that I developed after nagging several people and kind of forming a support for transfer students, but it takes time. It takes time to identify folks on a campus that's willing to help like serve this population, build a kind of like your own little committee or transfer champions folks. And I've only been at my current institution for almost three years. So I'm still working on it. But I would say like, as long as you have at least two key people that can advocate, like, it's—it goes a long way. It really, truly does. But I'll never stop advocating for transfer students.

One of my enrollment goals at my institution is to grow the population because we're noticing kind of enrollment trends where a lot of folks, especially still, we're still seeing the effects of the pandemic where they went to the two-year route first, took a longer gap period in between things to try to figure out what exactly they wanted to do. So it's definitely a goal of ours to grow it, but we need the other side of campus for the transition piece to really ensure that they're equipped for this population because no transfer is the same and they shouldn't be treated the same. And so trying to advocate for that population is really, really challenging. But I would say, that's kind of where it's evolved since two years ago—a lot of role changes. And yeah, just trying to advocate for this population as much as I can. But what about you?

What's the last two years been?

[13:09]  Campbell Keele

Before I answer that question, I do want to say that I think you have a really great point there when you're talking about trying to build that partnership with the like, quote unquote, like receiving people for the transfer students, because that's something that I'm in the academic house of things. And so I'm under our academic affairs unit, but we also have an enrollment management unit that houses financial aid, admissions, things like that. And one of the things that we've often talked about is how enrollment management is the front line for transfer students, but they're only able to tell transfer students the things that are happening on campus.

And so if we want the transfer student population to grow, of course, enrollment management has to communicate to those students, but we also have to have the infrastructure in place to receive those students and to create programs and opportunities that make them want to come to Missouri State because they have a million options for where they can go to school. So it's kind of that partnership where, we have to make their job easier too, in a sense. And so, I give you kudos for setting that goal and trying to grow that population because it is a really important population.

But yes, to answer your question about the past two years, I'm in the same role that I've had for, gosh, four years now, but I think kind of unintentionally the NISTS Rising Star Award came at kind of a transitional point in my career without me even really knowing it because I spent so much of my time the first couple of years creating programming and advocating for changes that were directly related to my own personal experiences in transfer. But now as I get farther removed from that timeframe, I'm not old by any means, but certainly older than I was when I transferred. Being a transfer student now does not look the same as when it happened 10 years ago for me.

And so I've really been able to spend the last two years—or trying to spend the last two years anyway, building that network of students that are coming in through the transfer pipeline, but also faculty and staff who are working with transfer students in some way. And so I've been able to hopefully spend the last two years making positive changes for everybody. But as just kind of a concrete example, I spent the last year or so really talking with our transfer students that were really involved on campus and saying, hey, when you're seeking out information about what's going on campus or looking for ways to get involved, where do you find that information? Because I wanted to make sure if I'm going to have events or do things that I'm reaching them.

And they all said that they go to Instagram, which kind of surprised me because I was like, oh, like what about your email or the My Missouri State portal or whatever. And they're like, well, sure, yeah, but Instagram is our first place that we're gonna go. And I have not posted on Instagram since I went to the Eras Tour three years ago, but I was like, you know, I'm gonna make an Instagram, I guess. So last summer I created the Mo State Transfer Instagram account because I was like, this is free. I can do this and use that to really communicate information on events that were going on or spotlighting transfer students.

And it's grown to be much larger than I ever thought it would be, honestly, which has been really great, but it just was really just kind of an example of meeting them where they are and paying attention to what they want because 10 years ago, I personally would not have cared at all if there was a transfer Instagram account. I don't think I would have even followed it, but our transfer students now do. So that's really what I've been trying to do over the past couple of years is just focused more on what other people have experienced or roadblocks that they're experiencing because I'm fortunate to be able to say that I think I've eliminated most of the roadblocks that I personally experienced, which is nice, but there's always going to be new challenges and new things that come up.

So that's what I've been trying to focus really on the past couple of years there. But that's just one thing that I'm proud of and been able to accomplish there. But what is something or some things that you have been able to accomplish at your school that you are proud of or that are in the works or kind of coming up?

[17:35]  Jamie Blanch

Yeah, I just have to echo like meeting the students where they're at, like, because, like, it's totally evolved since you and I both transferred. Like it's not the same at all. And I used to check my emails notoriously, but they don't. They really, truly don't.

[17:52]  Campbell Keele

No, they do not.

[17:54]  Jamie Blanch

No. So like you have to text them or you have to get on social media somehow for them to grab it, you know? So that's great that you actually like surveyed them to get their feedback. That's great.

[18:05]  Campbell Keele

Yeah, and it worked out, thankfully.

[18:07]  Jamie Blanch

Great. No, that's awesome. I guess like what I'm proud of like right now in my role is like I'm really focusing on developing some more recruitment strategies, expanding like partnerships, specifically articulation agreements. Before I started, there were some that kind of lapsed, like so they did have some agreements in the past, but kind of just bringing those back to life because one of the biggest questions I'm sure you get this from the advising side is like, how are my credits coming in? Like they truly don't want to be in school longer than they necessarily need to. Like, and so that is probably the easiest pipeline that you can create for these students. That's something I'm doing right now. It's a big summer project. We're doing it with one of our local two-year schools. And then the broader state has a big one, too that we have to update.

So yeah, I think just making sure those are as transparent and easy for the student to understand. I know we have to have the legality and the official one with the partner institution, but making a nice cleaner one for the students to kind of understand is so important because they're not going to read the pages and pages and pages. They just want to know, all right, econ—what is that coming in as? So making sure that it's clean for both parties, the students and the partner institution is my key priority right now. But I've created articulation agreements in the past at my last institution, and they all were super successful because the students felt like they had a seamless transition. They knew what everything was coming in as, and it helped with the numbers. And so I'm hoping the same will happen here, but it's something I'm really proud of.

It's really helping to work across campus to make that transition easier, hopefully, for the handoff piece. I don't know necessarily what happens on the other side. I try to advocate and make sure they have their shenanigans together, but I don't see it firsthand. But I hope it helps smooth that piece of it. I love that.

[20:04]  Campbell Keele

I think that it is, to your point, one of the two top questions that I get every time is how long is it gonna take me to graduate and how much is this gonna cost? So I love that you're trying to help address that first question as soon as you possibly can and make it easier. And that's such a good point about making it useful for the student because if you have some kind of template or table or whatever that makes sense to you, but it doesn't make sense to your students, then it's not worth it. It's not working. So yeah.

[20:34]  Jamie Blanch

Exactly. Like you have to make it clean for them to understand because otherwise you're going to literally have to explain it to every single student. So it'll save you time in the long run. For sure. But yeah, I'm trying to think—what, is there any transfer initiatives that you're doing on your campus right now? I know you said you have like that Instagram to kind of get the word out about things, but is there anything else that you want to share?

[20:57]  Campbell Keele

Yeah, I'll just give a kind of a shameless plug because we're in the middle of National Transfer Student Week preparations right now. And that was one of the things that I started when I first entered in the role in 2022. I think it was maybe like my first or second week on the job. And this is a brand new position at the university and I have a very supportive boss that was kind of just like, make this your own, do whatever you want. And so I came to him and I said, so I've seen this on the internet and I think it would be really cool if we could make National Transfer Student Week happen here. And he agreed, but we don't have any budget for it. So everything I do is literally free of charge. Like it has been quite a struggle to do that, to say the least.

But one of the events that actually just this morning we were able to confirm that's kind of a recurring event for us is called PAWS, or Pet Away Worry and Stress. And we bring therapy dogs to campus. And that came about, I think it was my second year of doing National Transfer Student Week efforts because I was incredibly homesick my first semester as a transfer student to the point that I thought if I could make it to Thanksgiving break and go home there was a really honestly a very solid chance that I wasn't going to come back and even finish out the semester. I just missed home so much and I miss my pet so much and I was just kind of miserable for a while, honestly, until I found my footing and my community.

And that is unfortunately an experience that students still have to this day when they move away from home. And so I'm a big animal person. You can't see it right now, but I have a big photo of my dog in my office that students always comment on. And we talk often about how they miss their pets. And I thought, I can't bring your pet to campus, but I can bring other people's pets to campus. So we partnered with Pet Therapy of the Ozarks, which is a local nonprofit in Springfield. And I called the Counseling Center up at our institution. And I said, hey, I have this idea.

And I thought you all might be the best place to host this event because the students will come for the dogs, but while they're there, they can meet some of the counseling staff and just maybe kind of remove some of the hesitation barriers that might come with seeking some of the professional help that we offer for all kinds of different mental health concerns. And that has been a really successful event. I love the fact that I get paid to hang out with dogs for an afternoon is incredible. And everyone has such a good time. And so right before this, I had just gotten off the phone with the Pet Therapy of the Ozarks coordinator and we picked a date for National Transfer Student Week. She's like, I can't wait to come back. And so that was just something that, you know, it's free of charge. It's a great time.

So that's those types of events are what we're looking forward to planning before the semester begins because once the semester starts, it's a little chaotic and we don't have time to plan fun therapy dog events. So that's what I'm trying to work on this summer. But I'm really excited about it and excited to get to celebrate National Transfer Student Week again. And so, one of the things I wanted to ask you as you were kind of talking through creating those articulation agreements and doing those things, what advice do you have for people that are in that kind of transfer admissions realm, whether they're directly recruiting transfer students or making those articulation agreements, like what if you could, you know, tell anybody who's starting out in that role, what would you kind of give them to succeed?

[24:30]  Jamie Blanch

Yeah, oh, that's a lot. I think in terms of like articulation agreements is just like give yourself grace, find your person at the partner institution and don't be afraid to ask questions because you want to make sure that you're articulating the credits appropriately and that might require a little extra legwork to get syllabi and whatnot through the approval process. It's not a seamless or easy process to do, but in the long run, it's so beneficial for the partnership and the students that will partake in it. But I would say like another advice, not articulation related, would just be like for your campus side. It's just like, build relationships across campus. Listen to transfer students. Learn the policies and the systems that can really affect their experiences and advocate for them. If things need to get changed, don't be afraid to ask.

As Campbell and I both have said, we say, what about transfers? Like constantly bring it to the surface. Find your professional community on your campus. And it's important that you do so like not just in your advising or admissions role. Like you need to do it across the board. Financial aid, the registrar, academic department, student affairs, orientation. Oh, don't get me down. That's a whole nother rabbit hole. But just making sure that you have an ear for everyone that can help serve this population. And don't—do not underestimate the value of sharing ideas with colleagues at both your institution and others because I feel like collaboration can really come with the best outcome to serve these students. And lastly, I would say is always like document your work. Transfer professionals like often accomplish like way more than they realize because so much happens behind the scenes.

And like I've alluded to, like a lot of it, we seem like we're invisible because we're just getting stuff done. But I think it's so important to like keep track of it. Like keep track of your accomplishments and how you're serving this population, even though it may not always be recognized. So that's some of the advice I would give. What about you? You're on the advising side of the house.

[26:44]  Campbell Keele

I think so much of what you said is applicable for those in the advising side of the house. I'm gonna start with the last thing that you said about documenting your work because it can feel behind the scenes or invisible. And to give an example, last year, I chaired the Transfer Advising Committee, which is exactly what it sounds like, a group of transfer advisors across campus. And we worked with Computer Services and the Office of Admissions to completely revamp our Transfer Credit Reevaluation and Preapproval process. And that was a huge undertaking, but mostly by Computer Services. Like I'm not gonna pretend that I did anything technical there, but that work has been substantial and really improved the student experience, the advisor experience and all of that.

But it was so many meetings that I was a part of with admissions and Computer Services, where it was just the three or four of us trying to figure out how this could work for a student or how to impact this like technical difficulty or things like that. And it's drastically improved the experience, but nobody in an advisor role saw all of the meetings that I was in or any of those things. And so I think that sometimes when you are in a transfer sphere or in any sphere, whether you're working with non-traditional students or first-gen or whatever, it can feel like a thankless role sometimes.

So documenting the positive comments that you get or emails or the work that you do, because sometimes I think we all get hit with just feelings of frustration or feelings of like, am I doing anything that even matters or is making a difference? And you absolutely are. Like I can assure you no matter what your role is in the transfer sphere, you are making a difference. So just on those bad days, having something that you can kind of reflect on is a really big thing that can kind of boost your morale and maybe help keep a little bit of the burnout at bay anyway. But I think just to expand a little bit on what you said about building a network, I think it is so important to build a network at your institution, but also like you said, outside of your institution too.

You don't have to reinvent the wheel. Like a lot of the things that I do, I've seen other people do at other institutions and I've just adapted it to what would work for Missouri State. And so get involved in Transfer Nation or the National Resource Center, even just follow people on LinkedIn or Google different schools' transfer websites and see what they do. You don't have to come up with a purely original idea every time you do something. So if you hear of somebody doing a really cool event or some sort of program that you think would really benefit your students or some sort of advising document or admissions recruitment piece, whatever it is, you can do that too. There's no rule that says you can't.

So I think that has been something that's been really helpful for me is that I've been able to take things that I've seen other people do and replicate it at my institution and it's been great. So I think that building that network and just having people around to bounce ideas off of or to replicate their efforts. I personally view it as flattering if somebody does what I have done at Missouri State at their institution too. So I would hope that most people feel that way as well. But I think at the end of the day, we're all in this together to help transfer students. And that is what matters more than whether it was your own original idea that you came up with.

So those I think are my two biggest pieces of advice to just have a little pick-me-up folder, remind yourself that you are doing good work all the time, and then to just build that network and constantly have people that you can share ideas with or learn more about what they're doing and those types of things too. So yeah, so very, very similar there. I thought you gave excellent advice.

[30:42]  Jamie Blanch

Thank you, thank you. No, you as well. I really think it's—it takes a village. And to echo what you said, like do not, like there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Like, there's so many things we can learn from each other, and just make our own little tweaks on it to make it fit in our campus and our needs. So yeah, I think there's a lot, there's a long way to come still, but I think we're heading in the right direction for sure.

[31:08]  Campbell Keele

Yeah, absolutely. I think one of the things that I think is exciting to see is that it does seem like more institutions and more states are making transfer something that, if it is not at the forefront, it is at least part of the conversation and I think that is the biggest change compared to what we both experienced as transfer students ourselves. And so I think that—just keep going, keep being annoying or nagging or whatever you want to call it and keep asking about transfer as much as you possibly can because it really does matter.

[31:42]  Jamie Blanch

It totally matters. Persistence is key for sure. But no, it was so great chatting with you today about all of this. And I think that concludes our lovely chat on transfer and where we're going from here.

[31:53]  Campbell Keele

Absolutely. Happy Transfer Professionals Month, everyone.

[31:58]  Jamie Blanch

Yes, the first one in July. Well, great. Well, thank you so much.

[32:04]  Heather Adams

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